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Tuesday, 15 September 2026
To jet... or not to jet!
Allan:
Regarding Canada's 'next gen' fighter jet purchase!
The original order was 88 F-35s, a $27.7 billion program signed in 2022.
The first 16 are contracted and payment has started on 14 more.
The remaining 72 have been under review for a year and a half while the relationship the purchase assumed came apart.
What has changed is that a decision is now expected rather than hoped for.
Sources say an announcement will come after the American midterms in November, deliberately timed to avoid inflaming things beforehand. And Carney could use the fate of the program in CUSMA negotiations, with the final call resting with him!
So the comparison stops being theoretical!
Cost per flight hour is the number the whole argument turns on, and the published figures vary enormously depending on who produced them.
US Department of Defense data puts the F-35A at about $28,500. Other US Air Force figures are cited around $33,300. The GAO's sustainment estimate for the program grew from $1.1 trillion in 2018 to $1.58 trillion in 2023, with roughly $6.6 million per aircraft annually. Program operating and support costs exceeded $5 billion in 2023 alone.
Saab's own published figure for the Gripen E is about $22,100, covering maintenance, fuel, crew and logistics. An IHS Jane's study commissioned by Saab put the older C/D at $4,700. Independent analysts note Saab's baseline rests on a Swedish Air Force operating a single Gripen E, so these remain estimates.
The most useful number comes from a government that chose the F-35 anyway. In 2023 the Czech defence ministry costed 24 Gripen E/F at $174 million a year, or $7.25 million per aircraft. The same number of F-35s came to $231 million, or $9.6 million each. At 200 flight hours annually that is roughly $36,200 an hour against $48,000. Prague bought the F-35.
Unit price is closer than the operating figures suggest. Gripen E has been quoted in the mid-$80 million range. Lockheed puts F-35A unit cost at $98 million.
Now the capability difference.
The Gripen E has no stealth airframe. Its survivability rests on sensors and electronic warfare instead: "The Arexis suite built on gallium nitride, providing spherical coverage designed to detect, jam and spoof a threat before it can fire, plus a PS-05/A Mk4 AESA radar and an infrared search-and-track sensor that lets it hunt without emitting!"
It entered Swedish service in October 2025. The E model uses the General Electric F414 engine, with roughly 30 per cent more internal fuel than the C/D.
And the design premise is the part most relevant here.
Sweden built it knowing it could not outspend a larger neighbour, so it was engineered for dispersed operations.
A small ground crew can rearm and refuel one on a public road in under twenty minutes.
That is the argument for flying it on Arctic patrols and sovereignty flights, which is most of what the RCAF actually does, while keeping the F-35 for missions that need stealth.
Caution. There is no independent cross-platform audit covering both aircraft, which is why these figures disagree.
Tuesday, 10 February 2026
Saab’s “System of Systems” and Canada’s Strategic Choice!
1. ALLAN SAID: Sal, Is Saab’s “System of Systems” Real?
SAL-9000 SAID: Yes. Saab’s concept of distributed, networked combat is operational and evolving... not theoretical.
The core idea is that no single platform must do everything. Instead, aircraft, radar, ships, command nodes, and allied systems form a resilient, distributed mesh.
If one node is lost, the system continues functioning.
What already exists:
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Gripen E/F is designed as a networked combat node, not a standalone centrepiece.
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GlobalEye AEW&C operational and deployed.
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Giraffe and Sea Giraffe radars in service worldwide.
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Integrated air, sea, and land command systems already fielded.
Gripen E is built to:
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Fuse data from aircraft, ships, ground radar, and NATO assets.
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Share tracks without constant satellite dependence.
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Operate under GPS denial and electronic warfare conditions.
The design assumption is... contested environments... degraded communications... and electronic attack... conditions highly relevant to Arctic operations!
2. Why This Matters for Canada.
Sovereignty.
With Saab architecture:
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Mission software can be modified domestically.
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Data routing is not locked to foreign servers.
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Upgrades do not require external political approval.
This provides greater operational autonomy compared to highly centralized architectures.
Arctic Suitability.
Canada’s northern defence requires:
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Long-range sensing.
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Interoperability with NORAD.
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Independent operational capacity.
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Aircraft able to act as relays across sparse terrain.
Saab’s distributed model was designed for dispersed geography, harsh climates, and intermittent connectivity.
Industrial Participation.
A Saab partnership typically includes:
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Domestic software and systems integration.
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Long-term sustainment participation.
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Export-relevant technical expertise.
This aligns with Canada’s industrial objectives beyond symbolic offsets.
Strategic Flexibility.
A distributed system:
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Scales incrementally.
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Integrates with NATO without full dependency.
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Evolves through continuous upgrades rather than large block cycles.
This reduces long-term structural risk across a 40-year fleet life.
System Architecture Comparison.
Saab Distributed Model vs F-35 Ecosystem.
Core Design Philosophy.
Saab.
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Distributed nodes.
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Resilient to network degradation.
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Assumes communications disruption.
F-35.
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Centralized ecosystem.
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Highly integrated.
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Performs best with intact network support.
Aircraft Design DNA.
Saab Gripen E.
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Sensor, shooter, and relay.
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Designed for austere bases and dispersed ops.
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Operates with small ground crews.
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Electronic warfare is integrated as a primary defensive posture.
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Maintains effectiveness under degraded network conditions.
Gripen remains valuable even when partially disconnected.
F-35 Lightning II.
Lockheed Martin F-35 Lightning II.
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Built for deep sensor fusion.
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Centralized mission data architecture.
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Strong reliance on shared threat libraries and persistent connectivity.
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Sustainment and updates are deeply integrated into the broader ecosystem.
When fully connected, the capability is exceptional.
When disconnected, performance degrades more significantly than in distributed architectures.
Operational Reality for Canada: A Natural Geographic Split.
Arctic & Sovereignty Mission → Gripen.
Gripen is well-suited for:
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Short, icy runways.
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Cold-weather dispersal.
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Intercept and denial missions.
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Acting as sensor relays across sparse terrain.
Day-to-day NORAD intercepts and northern patrols would logically lean toward Gripen.
Southern Canada & NATO → F-35
F-35 fits best where:
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Infrastructure is dense.
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Logistics are stable.
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Persistent connectivity exists.
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NATO interoperability is primary.
Southern bases and expeditionary deployments align with the F-35’s strengths.
How a Mixed Fleet Would Likely Self-Organize
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Gripen absorbs high-frequency sovereignty and intercept missions.
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F-35 deploys for high-end NATO roles and coalition operations.
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Fleet wear is balanced.
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Canada maintains both autonomy and alliance integration.
This is not “Gripen vs F-35.”
It is distributed resilience alongside centralized excellence.
The Core Distinction.
Gripen is designed to be flexible and resilient on its own...
The F-35 is designed to be exceptional within a highly integrated system.
Both approaches are valid...
They are optimized for different operational environments.
For Canada:
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Northern defence benefits from flexibility and sovereignty.
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Southern/NATO operations benefit from deep integration and interoperability.
That division aligns naturally with Canada’s geography, alliance commitments, and long-term strategic posture!
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Thursday, 21 August 2025
Another "Weapon" (sic) for us in the Tariff Wars!
Remember folks... if things get too rank with the States over this "tariff war" stuff... we have a major 'bomb' (pun intended) to drop along with the already mentioned electricity, steel, uranium, precious metals, softwood lumber, potash, oil and gas...etc!
- CANCEL -
"F-35 FIGHTER JETS!"
(Yup... Buy the Swedish 'Gripen' instead!)
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ALLAN SAID: Sal, did Spain and Switzerland CANCEL their F-35 fighter jet orders?
SAL-9000 SAID: You're asking whether Spain and Switzerland have canceled their F‑35 fighter jet orders.
Let me break down the latest (as of August 2025) status for each!
Spain: Yes, Spain has officially cancelled its plans to buy F-35s.
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Multiple reputable news sources confirm that Spain has ruled out purchasing the U.S.-made F‑35 Lightning II jets, opting instead to invest in European-made alternatives like the Eurofighter Typhoon, Gripen and the 'Future Combat Air System!' (FCAS)
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The decision is rooted in Spain’s push for defence sovereignty, reduced reliance on U.S. technology, and economic investment in the European defence industry... reportedly allocating around 85% of the new defence budget to European platforms!
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This cancellation is confirmed in both Spanish and international outlets, indicating it's not just a rumour!
Switzerland: Not yet. Switzerland has not cancelled its F-35 order... yet... but it's facing uncertainty and exploring adjustments!
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Switzerland signed a contract in September 2022 to buy 36 F‑35A jets, with deliveries expected between 2027 and 2030.
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However, ongoing disputes over pricing, especially due to lack of a truly "fixed price," and U.S. tariffs, (notably a 39% tariff imposed by the Trump administration) have created significant financial pressure!
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Swiss lawmakers—particularly from the Green Party—have filed motions calling for cancellation, citing U.S. unreliability! Alternatives within Europe are under discussion!
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As of now, Switzerland remains committed in principle to purchasing the F‑35s but is evaluating options, including reducing the number of jets. A definitive review is expected by November 2025 , and things aren't looking good for Lockheed Martin!
Summary Table
| Country | Status of F-35 Order |
|---|---|
| Spain | Cancelled. Opting for European alternatives like Eurofighter, Gripen & FCAS. |
| Switzerland | Not cancelled yet! Facing financial and political challenges... exploring alternatives, decision pending! |
So, to directly answer your question: Spain has indeed cancelled its F-35 order, while Switzerland has not cancelled, but it's reviewing and possibly reducing the commitment amid rising costs and political pushback!
ALLAN SAID: Anything new for Canada vis-Ã -vis the Saab Gripen?
ChatGPT SAID: Here’s the latest on Canada’s interest in the Saab Gripen, especially in light of the ongoing review of its F‑35 fighter jet program:
Recent Developments: "Gripen in Canada's Defence Review!"
1. Reevaluating the F-35 — Opening the Door for Gripen:
Canada is actively reviewing its C$19 billion contract for 88 F‑35 jets! (Factors such as mounting costs, U.S. trade tensions, and a desire to expand domestic defence capabilities have prompted Ottawa to consider alternatives... including Saab’s Gripen E!)
While the first 16 F‑35s are already PAID FOR... the remainder AREN'T!
2. High-Level Engagements with Sweden:
Just this week, Industry Minister Mélanie Joly visited Saab’s facilities in Sweden, including exposure to the Gripen‑E platform, as part of a broader review of our defence options!
3. Shifting Arctic Strategy & Nordic Defense Partnerships!
Canada is pivoting its Arctic defence strategy toward NATO-aligned Nordic countries!
In that context, aligning with Sweden... [home of Saab] has become a strategic priority... pushing the Gripen back into the conversation! (Politico.)
4. Saab Continuing Negotiations:
Saab’s CEO confirmed that discussions with Canada regarding the Gripen continue, with the Gripen E still positioned as an Arctic-optimized, interoperable alternative to the F-35!
5. Gripen's Canadian Industrial Offerings:
Saab's Gripen “Made‑in‑Canada” proposal remains compelling:
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The offer includes 88 Gripen E jets, with full tech transfe!
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Plans to establish two aerospace R&D and maintenance centers in Montreal, with partnerships involving Canadian firms (e.g., CAE, GE, IMP Aerospace) Military Watch Magazine+15Start+15Start+15Politico+4Start+4Start+4.
Summary Table:
| Topic | Details |
|---|---|
| F-35 Review | Ongoing; first 16 jets committed, remainder potentially open to alternatives! |
| Gripen Consideration | Actively being reconsidered as a viable competitor, especially for the remaining jets! |
| Industrial Partnership | Gripen offers “Made in Canada” assembly, tech transfers, and local facility setup! |
| Strategic Alignment | Stronger ties with Sweden/Nordic allies reinforce Gripen's appeal in the Arctic context! |
Saab’s Position | Gripen E continues to be a front-runner among European alternatives; Negotiations Ongoing! |
Bottom Line:
While Canada hasn’t officially switched to the Gripen, recent developments signal a serious reconsideration!
Saab’s Gripen E is emerging as a credible alternative... or possible complement... to the F-35... supported by strong industrial and strategic incentives!
Let me know if you'd like a deeper dive into Gripen’s Arctic performance... cost comparisons... or its industrial package in detail... or anything else about Canada’s defence procurement!
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ALLAN SAID: How about cost comparisons and an industrial package?
SAL-9000 said: Here’s a breakdown comparing the F‑35 and Saab Gripen E in terms of cost and industrial package for Canada:
Cost Comparison:
F-35 (Lockheed Martin)
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Acquisition Cost: Canada initially budgeted approximately C$19 billion for 88 aircraft. Facebook+15Business Insider+15Skies Mag+15.
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Escalating Expenses: An audit projects that total costs could reach C$33 billion, nearly 75% above original estimates, due to inflation, exchange rate shifts, infrastructure overruns, and pandemic impacts and now... tariffs!
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Lifecycle Cost: Estimated at around C$70 billion over the aircraft’s service life. Business Insider+13AP News+13Wikipedia+13.
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Per Flight Hour: Approx. US$33,300 for the F‑35A Wikipedia+15Aviacionline+15Fliegerfaust+15.
Gripen E (Saab)
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Acquisition Cost: Roughly comparable—Gripen E's flyaway cost is around US$85 million per aircraft, aligning with the F‑35’s per-unit cost. Financial Times+8Fliegerfaust+8Reddit+8.
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Per Flight Hour: Substantially cheaper—about US$8,000, which is ~¼ or less of the F‑35’s cost, indicating much lower operational expenses. Fliegerfaust.
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Long-Term Savings: The Gripen's simpler maintenance and lower infrastructure requirements suggest long-term budget relief compared to the cost-intensive F‑35 Reddit+1.
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Industrial Package
F-35
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Current Industrial Participation: Canadian firms have already secured about US$2.8 billion in contracts as part of the global F-35 supply chain AP News+4Fliegerfaust+4Wikipedia+4.
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Potential Future Gains: Additional contracts could reach up to US$10 billion over the program’s lifespan.
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Production Model: Canada acts as a supplier, not a manufacturer—the aircraft are built in the U.S., though component production benefits Canadian industry Skies Mag+3Fliegerfaust+3Reddit+3.
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Technology Limitations: Canada contributes build-to-print components but does not receive deep tech transfer or ownership of IP—the U.S. retains control over upgrades, software, and critical support systems Fliegerfaust.
Gripen E
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Full Industrial Offset: Saab proposes 100% industrial offsets, including in‑country assembly, widespread tech transfer, and sustained industrial activity in Canada Fliegerfaust+1.
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Domestic Production: Final assembly, maintenance, and upgrades could be performed in Canada, fostering local aerospace capacity and job creation Fliegerfaust.
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Economic Sovereignty: Canada gains control over upgrades and fleet management through technology transfer agreements—unlike the F‑35’s tightly controlled U.S.-centric framework. AP News+4Fliegerfaust+4Reddit+4.
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Cost Efficiency: The Gripen’s modular design reduces maintenance cost and complexity, reinforcing overall affordability! bestfighter4canada.blogspot.com+6Wikipedia+6Reddit+6.
Summary Table
| Aspect | F-35 | Gripen E |
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Acquisition Cost | ~C$19B (projected to C$33B) | Comparable (~US$85M each, total similar to F-35) |
Flight Hour Cost | $33K | $8K |
| Domestic Job Creation. | Supplier-based, potential lost contracts. | Full assembly, tech transfer, local job output. |
| Tech & Sovereignty | Limited; U.S. retains IP and upgrade control. | Full tech transfer, operational autonomy. |
| Long-term Budget Impact | High lifecycle cost, supply chain dependency. | Lower O&S costs, domestic capacity, and reinvestment. |
Final Thoughts:
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F-35 provides Canada with integration into a global aerospace ecosystem... but comes with high and uncertain total costs... limited domestic control... and total reliance on U.S. systems!
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Gripen E offers a more sovereign, cost-effective alternative with robust industrial benefits and domestic autonomy... especially compelling in the context of rising costs and strategic orientation toward NATO-aligned Arctic allies!
SAL-9000 SAID: Would you like a deeper breakdown of operational readiness, or how Gripen’s industrial package could affect specific Canadian provinces or firms?
ALLAN SAID: Tell me how Gripen’s industrial package could affect specific Canadian provinces or firms?
SAL-9000 SAID: Here’s how Saab’s Gripen industrial package would ripple across specific Canadian provinces and firms! (All of this is based on Saab’s formal offer—i.e., it kicks in only if Canada buys the Gripen.)
Quebec:
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Greater Montréal (new centres): Saab says it would stand up two facilities—a Gripen Centre (Canadian-managed mission-system development, upgrades, fleet management) and an Aerospace R&D Centre focused on AI, UAS and “green” aviation—both in the Greater Montréal Region. Start
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CAE (Montréal): In the team to deliver training & mission-systems solutions. Flight Global
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GE Aerospace (Bromont): Would provide/sustain the F414-39E engine in Canada; Bromont already manufactures advanced engine components and hosts GE’s Global Robotics/Automation R&D Centre. StartGE Aerospaceaeromontreal.ca
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Job impact: Saab markets “6,000 high-paying jobs per year over 40 years” and highlights Montréal centres explicitly (Saab estimate/claim). Start+1
Nova Scotia:
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IMP Aerospace & Defence (Enfield/Halifax area): Planned final assembly and long-term in-country production & in-service support for the Canadian Gripen fleet. Saab and IMP have publicly laid this out; Skies reported assembly at IMP Enfield. Skies MagFlight Global
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IMP Aerostructures (Amherst): Added aerostructures manufacturing capacity under the IMP umbrella. IMP Aerostructures
Manitoba:
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StandardAero (Winnipeg): Selected by Saab/GE to perform F414-39E engine MRO in Winnipeg—i.e., domestic sustainment for Gripen E’s engine. StartStandardAero
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GE (Winnipeg): GE notes existing engine testing/R&D presence in Winnipeg—helpful adjacent capability for a Gripen engine ecosystem. GE Aerospace
Ontario:
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Toronto (Cyber Resilience Centre): Saab says it would invest in a Cyber Resilience Centre in Toronto as part of the package. Start
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GE Aerospace (Orillia): GE lists complex engine hardware manufacturing in Orillia, which could interface with F414 sustainment/industrial work. GE Aerospace
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Arcfield Canada (Ottawa office): Prime for CF-18 avionics sustainment today; capability is platform-agnostic and could pivot to Gripen avionics/test-equipment support under Saab’s team lineage (Peraton Canada → Arcfield Canada). Arcfield Canada
Alberta:
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Arcfield Canada (HQ Calgary): Canada’s prime for fighter avionics sustainment; awarded successive CF-18 avionics support contracts (most recently $211.6M in 2024). This skill base positions Alberta for Gripen avionics & test-equipment sustainment if selected. ArcfieldArcfield Canada
British Columbia:
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Vancouver (Sensor Centre): Saab’s plan also includes a Sensor Centre in Vancouver—part of the wider tech/R&D footprint tied to the Gripen offer. Start
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Who’s on the core “Gripen for Canada” team (and what they’d do)
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IMP Aerospace & Defence (NS): In-country production/assembly + in-service support. Flight Global
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CAE (QC): Training systems + mission-systems solutions. Flight Global
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Arcfield Canada (formerly Peraton Canada; AB/ON): Avionics & test-equipment MRO, material management. StartArcfield Canada
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GE Aerospace (QC/ON/MB): Provide/sustain F414 engines in Canada; Canadian engine manufacturing/test footprints already exist. StartGE Aerospace
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StandardAero (MB): F414-39E MRO in Winnipeg (MoU/selection under Saab’s bid). StartStandardAero
Notes & caveats!
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These items are Saab’s proposed ITB/offset commitments under Canada’s policy; most are contingent on Gripen E being selected. Government of Canada
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Saab’s job totals are marketing estimates, not Government of Canada figures; treat as indicative. Start
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