Remember folks... if things get too rank with the States over this "tariff war" stuff... we have a major 'bomb' (pun intended) to drop along with the already mentioned electricity, steel, uranium, precious metals, softwood lumber, potash, oil and gas...etc!
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"F-35 FIGHTER JETS!"
(Yup... Buy the Swedish 'Gripen' instead!)
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ALLAN SAID: Sal, did Spain and Switzerland CANCEL their F-35 fighter jet orders?
SAL-9000 SAID: You're asking whether Spain and Switzerland have canceled their F‑35 fighter jet orders.
Let me break down the latest (as of August 2025) status for each!
Spain: Yes, Spain has officially cancelled its plans to buy F-35s.
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Multiple reputable news sources confirm that Spain has ruled out purchasing the U.S.-made F‑35 Lightning II jets, opting instead to invest in European-made alternatives like the Eurofighter Typhoon, Gripen and the 'Future Combat Air System!' (FCAS)
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The decision is rooted in Spain’s push for defence sovereignty, reduced reliance on U.S. technology, and economic investment in the European defence industry... reportedly allocating around 85% of the new defence budget to European platforms!
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This cancellation is confirmed in both Spanish and international outlets, indicating it's not just a rumour!
Switzerland: Not yet. Switzerland has not cancelled its F-35 order... yet... but it's facing uncertainty and exploring adjustments!
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Switzerland signed a contract in September 2022 to buy 36 F‑35A jets, with deliveries expected between 2027 and 2030.
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However, ongoing disputes over pricing, especially due to lack of a truly "fixed price," and U.S. tariffs, (notably a 39% tariff imposed by the Trump administration) have created significant financial pressure!
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Swiss lawmakers—particularly from the Green Party—have filed motions calling for cancellation, citing U.S. unreliability! Alternatives within Europe are under discussion!
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As of now, Switzerland remains committed in principle to purchasing the F‑35s but is evaluating options, including reducing the number of jets. A definitive review is expected by November 2025 , and things aren't looking good for Lockheed Martin!
Summary Table
| Country | Status of F-35 Order |
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| Spain | Cancelled. Opting for European alternatives like Eurofighter, Gripen & FCAS. |
| Switzerland | Not cancelled yet! Facing financial and political challenges... exploring alternatives, decision pending! |
So, to directly answer your question: Spain has indeed cancelled its F-35 order, while Switzerland has not cancelled, but it's reviewing and possibly reducing the commitment amid rising costs and political pushback!
ALLAN SAID: Anything new for Canada vis-à-vis the Saab Gripen?
ChatGPT SAID: Here’s the latest on Canada’s interest in the Saab Gripen, especially in light of the ongoing review of its F‑35 fighter jet program:
Recent Developments: "Gripen in Canada's Defence Review!"
1. Reevaluating the F-35 — Opening the Door for Gripen:
Canada is actively reviewing its C$19 billion contract for 88 F‑35 jets! (Factors such as mounting costs, U.S. trade tensions, and a desire to expand domestic defence capabilities have prompted Ottawa to consider alternatives... including Saab’s Gripen E!)
While the first 16 F‑35s are already PAID FOR... the remainder AREN'T!
2. High-Level Engagements with Sweden:
Just this week, Industry Minister Mélanie Joly visited Saab’s facilities in Sweden, including exposure to the Gripen‑E platform, as part of a broader review of our defence options!
3. Shifting Arctic Strategy & Nordic Defense Partnerships!
Canada is pivoting its Arctic defence strategy toward NATO-aligned Nordic countries!
In that context, aligning with Sweden... [home of Saab] has become a strategic priority... pushing the Gripen back into the conversation! (Politico.)
4. Saab Continuing Negotiations:
Saab’s CEO confirmed that discussions with Canada regarding the Gripen continue, with the Gripen E still positioned as an Arctic-optimized, interoperable alternative to the F-35!
5. Gripen's Canadian Industrial Offerings:
Saab's Gripen “Made‑in‑Canada” proposal remains compelling:
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The offer includes 88 Gripen E jets, with full tech transfe!
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Plans to establish two aerospace R&D and maintenance centers in Montreal, with partnerships involving Canadian firms (e.g., CAE, GE, IMP Aerospace) Military Watch Magazine+15Start+15Start+15Politico+4Start+4Start+4.
Summary Table:
| Topic | Details |
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| F-35 Review | Ongoing; first 16 jets committed, remainder potentially open to alternatives! |
| Gripen Consideration | Actively being reconsidered as a viable competitor, especially for the remaining jets! |
| Industrial Partnership | Gripen offers “Made in Canada” assembly, tech transfers, and local facility setup! |
| Strategic Alignment | Stronger ties with Sweden/Nordic allies reinforce Gripen's appeal in the Arctic context! |
Saab’s Position | Gripen E continues to be a front-runner among European alternatives; Negotiations Ongoing! |
Bottom Line:
While Canada hasn’t officially switched to the Gripen, recent developments signal a serious reconsideration!
Saab’s Gripen E is emerging as a credible alternative... or possible complement... to the F-35... supported by strong industrial and strategic incentives!
Let me know if you'd like a deeper dive into Gripen’s Arctic performance... cost comparisons... or its industrial package in detail... or anything else about Canada’s defence procurement!
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ALLAN SAID: How about cost comparisons and an industrial package?
SAL-9000 said: Here’s a breakdown comparing the F‑35 and Saab Gripen E in terms of cost and industrial package for Canada:
Cost Comparison:
F-35 (Lockheed Martin)
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Acquisition Cost: Canada initially budgeted approximately C$19 billion for 88 aircraft. Facebook+15Business Insider+15Skies Mag+15.
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Escalating Expenses: An audit projects that total costs could reach C$33 billion, nearly 75% above original estimates, due to inflation, exchange rate shifts, infrastructure overruns, and pandemic impacts and now... tariffs!
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Lifecycle Cost: Estimated at around C$70 billion over the aircraft’s service life. Business Insider+13AP News+13Wikipedia+13.
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Per Flight Hour: Approx. US$33,300 for the F‑35A Wikipedia+15Aviacionline+15Fliegerfaust+15.
Gripen E (Saab)
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Acquisition Cost: Roughly comparable—Gripen E's flyaway cost is around US$85 million per aircraft, aligning with the F‑35’s per-unit cost. Financial Times+8Fliegerfaust+8Reddit+8.
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Per Flight Hour: Substantially cheaper—about US$8,000, which is ~¼ or less of the F‑35’s cost, indicating much lower operational expenses. Fliegerfaust.
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Long-Term Savings: The Gripen's simpler maintenance and lower infrastructure requirements suggest long-term budget relief compared to the cost-intensive F‑35 Reddit+1.
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Industrial Package
F-35
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Current Industrial Participation: Canadian firms have already secured about US$2.8 billion in contracts as part of the global F-35 supply chain AP News+4Fliegerfaust+4Wikipedia+4.
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Potential Future Gains: Additional contracts could reach up to US$10 billion over the program’s lifespan.
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Production Model: Canada acts as a supplier, not a manufacturer—the aircraft are built in the U.S., though component production benefits Canadian industry Skies Mag+3Fliegerfaust+3Reddit+3.
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Technology Limitations: Canada contributes build-to-print components but does not receive deep tech transfer or ownership of IP—the U.S. retains control over upgrades, software, and critical support systems Fliegerfaust.
Gripen E
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Full Industrial Offset: Saab proposes 100% industrial offsets, including in‑country assembly, widespread tech transfer, and sustained industrial activity in Canada Fliegerfaust+1.
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Domestic Production: Final assembly, maintenance, and upgrades could be performed in Canada, fostering local aerospace capacity and job creation Fliegerfaust.
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Economic Sovereignty: Canada gains control over upgrades and fleet management through technology transfer agreements—unlike the F‑35’s tightly controlled U.S.-centric framework. AP News+4Fliegerfaust+4Reddit+4.
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Cost Efficiency: The Gripen’s modular design reduces maintenance cost and complexity, reinforcing overall affordability! bestfighter4canada.blogspot.com+6Wikipedia+6Reddit+6.
Summary Table
| Aspect | F-35 | Gripen E |
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Acquisition Cost | ~C$19B (projected to C$33B) | Comparable (~US$85M each, total similar to F-35) |
Flight Hour Cost | $33K | $8K |
| Domestic Job Creation. | Supplier-based, potential lost contracts. | Full assembly, tech transfer, local job output. |
| Tech & Sovereignty | Limited; U.S. retains IP and upgrade control. | Full tech transfer, operational autonomy. |
| Long-term Budget Impact | High lifecycle cost, supply chain dependency. | Lower O&S costs, domestic capacity, and reinvestment. |
Final Thoughts:
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F-35 provides Canada with integration into a global aerospace ecosystem... but comes with high and uncertain total costs... limited domestic control... and total reliance on U.S. systems!
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Gripen E offers a more sovereign, cost-effective alternative with robust industrial benefits and domestic autonomy... especially compelling in the context of rising costs and strategic orientation toward NATO-aligned Arctic allies!
SAL-9000 SAID: Would you like a deeper breakdown of operational readiness, or how Gripen’s industrial package could affect specific Canadian provinces or firms?
SAL-9000 SAID: Here’s how Saab’s Gripen industrial package would ripple across specific Canadian provinces and firms! (All of this is based on Saab’s formal offer—i.e., it kicks in only if Canada buys the Gripen.)
Quebec:
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Greater Montréal (new centres): Saab says it would stand up two facilities—a Gripen Centre (Canadian-managed mission-system development, upgrades, fleet management) and an Aerospace R&D Centre focused on AI, UAS and “green” aviation—both in the Greater Montréal Region. Start
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CAE (Montréal): In the team to deliver training & mission-systems solutions. Flight Global
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GE Aerospace (Bromont): Would provide/sustain the F414-39E engine in Canada; Bromont already manufactures advanced engine components and hosts GE’s Global Robotics/Automation R&D Centre. StartGE Aerospaceaeromontreal.ca
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Job impact: Saab markets “6,000 high-paying jobs per year over 40 years” and highlights Montréal centres explicitly (Saab estimate/claim). Start+1
Nova Scotia:
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IMP Aerospace & Defence (Enfield/Halifax area): Planned final assembly and long-term in-country production & in-service support for the Canadian Gripen fleet. Saab and IMP have publicly laid this out; Skies reported assembly at IMP Enfield. Skies MagFlight Global
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IMP Aerostructures (Amherst): Added aerostructures manufacturing capacity under the IMP umbrella. IMP Aerostructures
Manitoba:
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StandardAero (Winnipeg): Selected by Saab/GE to perform F414-39E engine MRO in Winnipeg—i.e., domestic sustainment for Gripen E’s engine. StartStandardAero
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GE (Winnipeg): GE notes existing engine testing/R&D presence in Winnipeg—helpful adjacent capability for a Gripen engine ecosystem. GE Aerospace
Ontario:
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Toronto (Cyber Resilience Centre): Saab says it would invest in a Cyber Resilience Centre in Toronto as part of the package. Start
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GE Aerospace (Orillia): GE lists complex engine hardware manufacturing in Orillia, which could interface with F414 sustainment/industrial work. GE Aerospace
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Arcfield Canada (Ottawa office): Prime for CF-18 avionics sustainment today; capability is platform-agnostic and could pivot to Gripen avionics/test-equipment support under Saab’s team lineage (Peraton Canada → Arcfield Canada). Arcfield Canada
Alberta:
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Arcfield Canada (HQ Calgary): Canada’s prime for fighter avionics sustainment; awarded successive CF-18 avionics support contracts (most recently $211.6M in 2024). This skill base positions Alberta for Gripen avionics & test-equipment sustainment if selected. ArcfieldArcfield Canada
British Columbia:
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Vancouver (Sensor Centre): Saab’s plan also includes a Sensor Centre in Vancouver—part of the wider tech/R&D footprint tied to the Gripen offer. Start
Who’s on the core “Gripen for Canada” team (and what they’d do)
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IMP Aerospace & Defence (NS): In-country production/assembly + in-service support. Flight Global
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CAE (QC): Training systems + mission-systems solutions. Flight Global
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Arcfield Canada (formerly Peraton Canada; AB/ON): Avionics & test-equipment MRO, material management. StartArcfield Canada
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GE Aerospace (QC/ON/MB): Provide/sustain F414 engines in Canada; Canadian engine manufacturing/test footprints already exist. StartGE Aerospace
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StandardAero (MB): F414-39E MRO in Winnipeg (MoU/selection under Saab’s bid). StartStandardAero
Notes & caveats!
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These items are Saab’s proposed ITB/offset commitments under Canada’s policy; most are contingent on Gripen E being selected. Government of Canada
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Saab’s job totals are marketing estimates, not Government of Canada figures; treat as indicative. Start
