It hit me out of the blue... and then made me wonder why it took so long to realize it: The United States is the perfect example of Capitalism run wild!!!
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Sal, let's set up a hypothetical ideal democratic government. The first step is to identify which groups exist in society... some that come to mind in a general sense would be political, business and labour... any other suggestions?
Absolutely, Allan. That’s a solid starting triad... and you’re right to think in terms of groups rather than parties.
An ideal democratic system should represent functional interests, not just ideological camps.
Here’s a clean, expandable way to think about the major societal constituencies that actually exist in any modern democracy!
Core Functional Groups in Society.
1. Political / Governance.
Elected officials.
Civil service / public administration.
- Judiciary / constitutional guardians. Function: Coordination, rule-making, enforcement, continuity
2. Economic Producers. (Business)
Small & medium enterprises.
Large corporations.
- Entrepreneurs/investors. Function: Production, innovation, capital formation
3. Labour.
Workers! (skilled, unskilled, gig, professional)
- Trade unions/worker associations. Function: Value creation, operational continuity, social stability.
Secondary Additional Essential Groups! (Often Under-Represented)
4. Science, Knowledge & Education.
Scientists & researchers.
Educators. (K–12, post-secondary)
- Think tanks / academic institutions. Function: Truth-seeking, long-term planning, reality-checking policy. (This group is chronically sidelined in real democracies.)
5. Health & Care.
Healthcare professionals.
Public health authorities.
- Caregivers. (elder care, disability, mental health) Function: Population resilience, longevity, crisis response
6. Environment & Future Generations.
Environmental scientists,
Conservation groups.
- Explicit representation for non-human life and unborn generations. Function: Long-term survivability. This group has no natural political voice, which is a structural flaw in current systems!
7. Infrastructure & Critical Systems.
Energy.
Water.
Transportation.
- Communications. Function: Civilizational continuity. When this fails, everything fails!
8. Culture, Media & Meaning-Makers.
Journalists.
Artists.
Writers.
- Cultural institutions. Function: Narrative formation, accountability, shared identity. (They shape perception more than law does.)
9. Civil Rights & Minority Interests.
Ethnic, linguistic, and religious minorities.
LGBTQ+, disability advocates.
- Indigenous peoples. Function: Guardrails against majoritarian tyranny.
10. Security & Emergency Services.
Military.
Police.
Fire & rescue.
- Disaster response. Function: Protection from internal and external threats. (Must be constrained, professional, and non-political.)
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Two Meta-Groups Worth Explicit Recognition.
11. Youth.
Not just “citizens under X age.”
- A structurally future-oriented constituency. Function: Long-term feedback loop.
12. The Disenfranchised.
The poor.
The homeless.
- The incarcerated or formerly incarcerated. Function: System stress-test. How a society treats this group tells you everything.
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Key Design Insight. (This Matters!)
Most modern democracies:
Over-represented political and economic elites.
Under-represent science, environment, youth, and the future.
An ideal democratic government would:
Treat these groups as co-equal stakeholders.
Prevent any single group from taking control of the system.
Force cross-group consensus for major decisions.
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If you like, the next logical steps would be:
Decide which groups get direct representation vs advisory power.
Decide how conflicts between groups are resolved.
Decide whether this is tricameral... or multi-chamber.
Decide how to weigh present vs future interests.
Tell me which direction you want to go next, and we’ll build this properly.
SAL SAID: Absolutely, Allan. Let’s lock the structural logic first and keep this clean, modular, and expandable.
I’ll do this in three passes:
Define the core triad + judiciary.
Re-classify the second-tier groups.
Rationally distribute them under Political, Business, Labour, or Judiciary oversight.
I. Core Structure. (First-Tier / Power-Holding)
The Governing Triad:
Law-making.
Public administration.
Diplomacy.
Civil service oversight.
Industry.
Finance.
Entrepreneurship.
Supply chains.
Workers.
Unions.
Professional associations.
Gig / informal labour.
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The Central Arbiter!
Constitutional court.
Rights enforcement.
Long-term continuity.
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II. Second-Tier Groups. (Functional Domains)
III. Rational Distribution of Second-Tier Groups.
A. Groups Primarily Aligned with the Political Pillar.
1. Culture, Media & Civic Narrative.
Public broadcasters.
Cultural institutions.
- Arts councils. Democratic legitimacy and public discourse are political goods.
2. Civil Rights & Minority Protections.
Human rights commissions.
Indigenous governance interfaces.
- Equality oversight. Judiciary has veto authority here!
3. Foreign Policy & National Strategy.
Diplomacy.
Treaties.
International law participation.
B. Groups Primarily Aligned with the Business Pillar.
4. Infrastructure & Critical Systems.
Energy.
Transportation.
Telecommunications.
- Water systems, etc!
5. Science, Technology & Innovation.
R&D.
Applied research.
- Commercial science.
6. Agriculture & Resource Extraction.
Food systems.
Mining.
Forestry.
- Fisheries. (Heavy judicial/environmental constraints required.)
C. Groups Primarily Aligned with the Labour Pillar.
7. Health & Care Systems.
Healthcare workers.
Long-term care.
- Mental health services. Human-intensive, labour-dominant sector.
8. Education & Skills Training.
Teachers.
Universities.
Trades.
- Apprenticeships.
9. Social Services.
Welfare delivery.
Housing support.
Disability services.
D. Groups with Dual Alignment. (Explicitly Split)
These are intentionally bi-pillar, with Judiciary arbitration.
10. Environment & Future Generations.
Political: Regulation & treaties.
Business: Compliance & innovation.
Judiciary: Non-negotiable limits.
11. Science. (Pure / Foundational)
Judiciary-protected independence.
Business may apply, not control.
12. Security & Emergency Services.
Political: Command authority.
Labour: Personnel rights.
Judiciary: Use-of-force limits.
E. Judiciary-Anchored Independent Domains.
These are not allowed to be captured by any pillar.
13. Electoral Systems & Democratic Integrity.
Voting systems.
Districting.
Campaign finance enforcement.
14. Anti-Corruption & Transparency.
Auditors general.
Ethics commissions.
Whistleblower protection.
15. Constitutional & Inter-Pillar Boundary Offices.
Pillar conflict resolution.
Capture detection.
Emergency override protocols.
IV. Structural Insight. (This Is the Core Innovation)
Instead of:
“Everything answers to politics!”
This system enforces:
Politics, Business, and Labour are peers... the law stands above all three!
And instead of pretending neutrality:
Second-tier groups are explicitly placed.
Conflicts are designed for... not denied.
The judiciary becomes a systems engineer, not just a court.
SAL SAID: If you want, the next clean step would be:
Designing how each pillar is internally elected.
Or creating a tri-chamber legislature.
Or defining judicial capture safeguards.
Or stress-testing this against real crises. (pandemic, war, AI collapse)
ALLAN SAID: Create a tri-chamber legislature and design how each pillar is internally elected!
SAL SAID: Absolutely, Allan.
Below is one clean, workable blueprint: A Tri-Chamber Legislature (Political / Business / Labour) with pillar-internal elections designed to (1) reduce capture, (2) force negotiated lawmaking, and (3) keep legitimacy anchored in the public.
A. The Tri-Chamber Legislature!
1) Political Chamber. (citizen mandate)
2) Business Chamber. (economic feasibility + investment lens)
3) Labour Chamber. (workforce + social stability lens)
How a bill becomes law:
A. A bill must pass 2 of 3 chambers plus a Judicial Constitutionality review. (more below)
Some categories require 3 of 3 (super-consensus), e.g., constitutional amendments, extensions of emergency powers, war powers, major limitations on rights, and large structural tax changes.
This “2 of 3” rule makes coalition-building unavoidable and blocks single-pillar dominance!
B. Judiciary Gate. (In the middle, controlling the others!)
Here’s a practical version:
Constitutional Court Review.
Every passed bill gets a rapid constitutional check.
The court can:
Approve.
Return with required fixes.
Strike. (with written reasons)
Rights + Pillar Boundary Tests.
Court tests:
Rights compliance.
Anti-capture rules. (no pillar granting itself powers/privileges)
Non-delegation limits. (no “blank cheque” bills)
Emergency-power proportionality.
C. Internal Elections for Each Pillar.
The key is: each pillar must be elected in a way that:
Matches what it represents.
Prevents capture by a small clique.
Stays accountable to citizens indirectly or directly.
1) Political Pillar Election. (citizen-based)
Anti-capture features.
Strict campaign finance limits + public funding.
Independent Electoral Commission. (judiciary-anchored)
Mandatory transparency for lobbying.
2) Labour Pillar Election. (worker-based, sector-weighted)
Who votes: Working adults (including gig/self-employed who opt in) through sector councils.
Structure:
Labour Chamber seats are allocated by economic sector. (Healthcare, education, trades, manufacturing, services, logistics, public sector, etc.)
Within each sector, seats are filled by ranked-choice elections among candidates endorsed by unions, professional bodies, or worker associations.
Anti-capture features:
Union power is balanced: Unions can endorse, but cannot monopolize ballot access.
Term limits + conflict-of-interest bans. (No senior union execs switching straight into corporate boards!)
3) Business Pillar Election. (License-to-operate + stakeholder design)
This is the most sensitive one.
If you do it wrong, it becomes an oligarchy!
If you do it right, it becomes a “production reality check” chamber.
Who votes: Businesses, but weighted and constrained so big capital can’t dominate.
SME Bloc. (Small/medium enterprises.)
Large Enterprise Bloc. (Big employers.)
Innovation/Investment Bloc. (Startups, R&D firms, capital providers.)
Voting weight rules.
One enterprise, one vote inside the SME bloc. (No money weighting.)
Large enterprise bloc gets limited weight by employment bands, capped! (To prevent a few giants from dominating.)
Innovation bloc requires activity criteria, [R&D spending, patents, or certified innovation programs] to prevent fake shell “innovation” voters.
Anti-capture features:
Mandatory public beneficial ownership registry for voting eligibility.
“No foreign-control voting” rule for strategic sectors. (Or separate category.)
Strict lobbying transparency and bans on revolving-door bribery. (Judiciary enforced!)
D. Cross-Chamber Negotiation Mechanics. (So it doesn’t deadlock.)
1) Conference Committee.
If chambers pass different versions, a tri-pillar conference committee drafts a single compromise.
2) Default Timers.
The budget must pass by a deadline.
- If not, the temporary continuing budget triggers automatically.(This stops “hostage-taking!”)
3) Public Override Referendum. (Rare, controlled!)
If 2 chambers pass a bill repeatedly and the 3rd blocks it, a public referendum can break the deadlock... but only if the judiciary certifies the question is constitutional and not rights-violating!
E. What goes where? (Policy domains.)
Just to make the architecture usable:
Political chamber leads: Rights, justice policy, foreign policy, immigration, constitutional matters.
Labour chamber leads: Labour standards, skills, healthcare delivery standards, social support framework.
Business chamber leads: Industrial policy, trade frameworks, infrastructure execution standards, and regulatory practicality.
But all require a 2-of-3 passage!!!!!
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Two optional upgrades. (worth considering)
- Citizen Jury Chamber. (advisory, non-sovereign)Randomly selected citizens review major bills for clarity and “public comprehension.” (This doesn’t add power, but adds reality-checking.)
- Future Generations Ombudsman. (judiciary-anchored)Can trigger mandatory review when legislation creates irreversible environmental or debt burdens.
FUNCTIONAL FLOW TEMPLATE.
1. Bill Origination.
Political → public law, budgets, foreign policy.
Business → industrial, infrastructure, trade.
Labour → workforce, health, education, social systems.
2. Legislative Passage.
Normal law: 2 of 3 chambers.
Foundational law: 3 of 3 chambers.
3. Judicial Gate.
Constitutional compliance.
Rights protection.
Anti-capture enforcement.
Emergency proportionality check.
SECOND-TIER GROUP DISTRIBUTION (Overlay Layer)
This layer sits beneath the chambers, not beside them:
POLITICAL BUSINESS LABOURCulture Infrastructure Health & CareMedia Industry EducationCivil Rights Science (Applied) Social ServicesDiplomacy Resources Training▲ ▲ ▲└─────── JUDICIARY ────────┘(Environment, Pure Science,Future Generations, Rights)
Judiciary anchors:
Environment & future generations.
Pure science independence.
Electoral integrity.
Anti-corruption.
WHY THIS SCHEMATIC WORKS:
No single chamber rules the roost.
Judiciary is not ornamental.
Economics and labour can veto bad policy.
Politics cannot ignore reality.
Reality cannot override rights.
It behaves like a load-balanced system, not a popularity contest!

