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Showing posts with label ideal democratic government. Show all posts
Showing posts with label ideal democratic government. Show all posts

Monday, 2 February 2026

Here's a Better Form of Government!

It hit me out of the blue... and then made me wonder why it took so long to realize it: The United States is the perfect example of Capitalism run wild!!!

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Sal, let's set up a hypothetical ideal democratic government. The first step is to identify which groups exist in society... some that come to mind in a general sense would be political, business and labour... any other suggestions?

Absolutely, Allan. That’s a solid starting triad... and you’re right to think in terms of groups rather than parties

An ideal democratic system should represent functional interests, not just ideological camps.

Here’s a clean, expandable way to think about the major societal constituencies that actually exist in any modern democracy:


Core Functional Groups in Society

1. Political / Governance.

2. Economic Producers. (Business)

  • Small & medium enterprises.

  • Large corporations.

  • Entrepreneurs/investors. Function: Production, innovation, capital formation

3. Labour.

  • Workers. (skilled, unskilled, gig, professional)

  • Trade unions/worker associations. Function: Value creation, operational continuity, social stability.


Additional Essential Groups (Often Under-Represented)

4. Science, Knowledge & Education.

  • Scientists & researchers.

  • Educators. (K–12, post-secondary)

  • Think tanks / academic institutionsFunction: Truth-seeking, long-term planning, reality-checking policy. (This group is chronically sidelined in real democracies.)

5. Health & Care.

  • Healthcare professionals.

  • Public health authorities.

  • Caregivers. (elder care, disability, mental health) Function: Population resilience, longevity, crisis response

6. Environment & Future Generations.

  • Environmental scientists,

  • Conservation groups.

  • Explicit representation for non-human life and unborn generations. Function: Long-term survivability. This group has no natural political voice, which is a structural flaw in current systems!


7. Infrastructure & Critical Systems.

  • Energy.

  • Water.

  • Transportation.

  • Communications. Function: Civilizational continuity. When this fails, everything fails!


8. Culture, Media & Meaning-Makers.

  • Journalists.

  • Artists.

  • Writers.

  • Cultural institutions. Function: Narrative formation, accountability, shared identity. (They shape perception more than law does.)

9. Civil Rights & Minority Interests.

  • Ethnic, linguistic, and religious minorities.

  • LGBTQ+, disability advocates.

  • Indigenous peoples. Function: Guardrails against majoritarian tyranny.

10. Security & Emergency Services.

  • Military.

  • Police.

  • Fire & rescue.

  • Disaster response. Function: Protection from internal and external threats. (Must be constrained, professional, and non-political.)

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Two Meta-Groups Worth Explicit Recognition.

11. Youth.

  • Not just “citizens under X age.”

  • A structurally future-oriented constituency. Function: Long-term feedback loop.

12. The Disenfranchised.

  • The poor.

  • The homeless.

  • The incarcerated or formerly incarcerated. Function: System stress-test. How a society treats this group tells you everything.


Key Design Insight. (This Matters!)

Most modern democracies:

  • Over-represent political and economic elites.

  • Under-represent science, environment, youth, and the future.

An ideal democratic government would:

  • Treat these groups as co-equal stakeholders.

  • Prevent any single group from capturing the system.

  • Force cross-group consensus for major decisions.


If you like, the next logical steps would be:

  1. Decide which groups get direct representation vs advisory power.

  2. Decide how conflicts between groups are resolved.

  3. Decide whether this is bicameral, tricameral, or multi-chamber.

  4. Decide how to weigh present vs future interests.

Tell me which direction you want to go next, and we’ll build this properly.

ALLAN SAID: First of all make the 'Additional Essential Groups' into a second tier that we can integrate into the picture at a later time! 

Now let's set up a representative government consisting of a triad of Political, Business, and Labour parties... with a judiciary in the middle of it all controlling the others. 

Now take the second-tier categories and distribute them rationally... as well as any others that you can think of!

SAL SAID: Absolutely, Allan. Let’s lock the structural logic first and keep this clean, modular, and expandable.

I’ll do this in three passes:

  1. Define the core triad + judiciary.

  2. Re-classify the second-tier groups.

  3. Rationally distribute them under Political, Business, Labour, or Judiciary oversight.

I. Core Structure. (First-Tier / Power-Holding)

The Governing Triad:

1. Political Pillar: Represents collective decision-making and public mandate:

  • Law-making.

  • Public administration.

  • Diplomacy.

  • Civil service oversight.

2. Business Pillar. Represents capital, production, innovation, and trade:

  • Industry.

  • Finance.

  • Entrepreneurship.

  • Supply chains.

3. Labour Pillar. Represents human work, skills, and lived economic reality:

  • Workers.

  • Unions.

  • Professional associations.

  • Gig / informal labour.


The Central Arbiter!

4. Judiciary. (Independent, Supra-Pillar) Does NOT belong to any pillar:

  • Constitutional court.

  • Rights enforcement.

  • Long-term continuity.

Key principle: The judiciary does not govern... it constrains, balances, and corrects!

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II. Second-Tier Groups. (Functional Domains)

These do not hold sovereign power directly. They are assigned, split, or dual-homed based on function.

III. Rational Distribution of Second-Tier Groups. 

A. Groups Primarily Aligned with the Political Pillar.

1. Culture, Media & Civic Narrative.

  • Public broadcasters.

  • Cultural institutions.

  • Arts councils. Reason: Democratic legitimacy and public discourse are political goods.

2. Civil Rights & Minority Protections.

  • Human rights commissions.

  • Indigenous governance interfaces.

  • Equality oversight. Judiciary has veto authority here!

3. Foreign Policy & National Strategy.

  • Diplomacy.

  • Treaties.

  • International law participation.

B. Groups Primarily Aligned with the Business Pillar.

4. Infrastructure & Critical Systems.

  • Energy.

  • Transportation.

  • Telecommunications.

  • Water systems, etc!

5. Science, Technology & Innovation.

  • R&D.

  • Applied research.

  • Commercial science.

6. Agriculture & Resource Extraction.

  • Food systems.

  • Mining.

  • Forestry.

  • Fisheries. (Heavy judicial/environmental constraints required.)

C. Groups Primarily Aligned with the Labour Pillar.

7. Health & Care Systems.

  • Healthcare workers.

  • Long-term care.

  • Mental health services. Human-intensive, labour-dominant sector.

8. Education & Skills Training.

  • Teachers.

  • Universities.

  • Trades.

  • Apprenticeships. 

9. Social Services.

  • Welfare delivery.

  • Housing support.

  • Disability services.

D. Groups with Dual Alignment. (Explicitly Split)

These are intentionally bi-pillar, with Judiciary arbitration.

10. Environment & Future Generations.

  • Political: Regulation & treaties.

  • Business: Compliance & innovation.

  • Judiciary: Non-negotiable limits.

11. Science. (Pure / Foundational)

  • Judiciary-protected independence.

  • Business may apply, not control.

12. Security & Emergency Services.

  • Political: Command authority.

  • Labour: Personnel rights.

  • Judiciary: Use-of-force limits.


E. Judiciary-Anchored Independent Domains.

These are not allowed to be captured by any pillar.

13. Electoral Systems & Democratic Integrity.

  • Voting systems.

  • Districting.

  • Campaign finance enforcement.

14. Anti-Corruption & Transparency.

  • Auditors general.

  • Ethics commissions.

  • Whistleblower protection.

15. Constitutional & Inter-Pillar Boundary Offices.

  • Pillar conflict resolution.

  • Capture detection.

  • Emergency override protocols.

IV. Structural Insight. (This Is the Core Innovation)

Instead of:

“Everything answers to politics”

This system enforces:

Politics, Business, and Labour are peers... the law stands above all three!

And instead of pretending neutrality:

  • Second-tier groups are explicitly placed.

  • Conflicts are designed in, not denied.

  • The judiciary becomes a systems engineer, not just a court.


SAL SAID: If you want, the next clean step would be:

ALLAN SAID: Create a tri-chamber legislature and design how each pillar is internally elected!

SAL SAID: Absolutely, Allan.

Below is one clean, workable blueprint: A Tri-Chamber Legislature (Political / Business / Labour) with pillar-internal elections designed to (1) reduce capture, (2) force negotiated lawmaking, and (3) keep legitimacy anchored in the public.


A. The Tri-Chamber Legislature!

1) Political Chamber. (citizen mandate)

Role: Public priorities, taxation/spending priorities, civil liberties, foreign policy direction.

Powers: Initiate budgets + public-law bills.

2) Business Chamber. (economic feasibility + investment lens)

Role: Productivity, trade, infrastructure, industrial policy, finance/credit constraints.

Powers: Initiate economic/industrial bills; must sign off on fiscal/industrial feasibility.

3) Labour Chamber. (workforce + social stability lens)

Role: Wages/standards, skills training, health & safety, social supports.

Powers: Initiate labour/social bills; must sign off on labour impacts of major reforms.

How a bill becomes law:

A. A bill must pass 2 of 3 chambers plus a Judicial Constitutionality review. (more below)

  • Some categories require 3 of 3 (super-consensus), e.g., constitutional amendments, extensions of emergency powers, war powers, major limitations on rights, and large structural tax changes.

This “2 of 3” rule makes coalition-building unavoidable and blocks single-pillar dominance!


B. Judiciary Gate. (in the middle, controlling the others)

You asked for the judiciary... “in the middle controlling the others.” 

Here’s a practical version:

Constitutional Court Review.

  • Every passed bill gets a rapid constitutional check. 

  • The court can:

    1. Approve.

    2. Return with required fixes.

    3. Strike. (with written reasons)

Rights + Pillar Boundary Tests.

Court tests:

  • Rights compliance.

  • Anti-capture rules. (no pillar granting itself powers/privileges)

  • Non-delegation limits. (no “blank cheque” bills)

  • Emergency-power proportionality.


C. Internal Elections for Each Pillar.

The key is: each pillar must be elected in a way that:

  • Matches what it represents.

  • Prevents capture by a small clique.

  • Stays accountable to citizens indirectly or directly.

1) Political Pillar Election. (citizen-based)

Who votes: All citizens.

System: Mixed Member Proportional. (or ranked choice with multi-member districts)

Why: Legitimacy and broad representation.

Anti-capture features.

  • Strict campaign finance limits + public funding.

  • Independent Electoral Commission. (judiciary-anchored)

  • Mandatory transparency for lobbying.


2) Labour Pillar Election. (worker-based, sector-weighted)

Who votes: Working adults (including gig/self-employed who opt in) through sector councils.

Structure:

  • Labour Chamber seats are allocated by economic sector. (healthcare, education, trades, manufacturing, services, logistics, public sector, etc.)

  • Within each sector, seats are filled by ranked-choice elections among candidates endorsed by unions, professional bodies, or worker associations.

Anti-capture features:

  • Union power is balanced: Unions can endorse, but cannot monopolize ballot access.

  • Term limits + conflict-of-interest bans. (no senior union execs switching straight into corporate boards!)


3) Business Pillar Election. (license-to-operate + stakeholder design)

This is the most sensitive one. If you do it wrong, it becomes an oligarchy. 

If you do it right, it becomes a “production reality check” chamber.

Who votes: Businesses, but weighted and constrained so big capital can’t dominate.

Seat allocation. (recommended)

Split the Business Chamber into three equal blocs. (each elects 1/3 of seats):

  1. SME Bloc. (small/medium enterprises)

  2. Large Enterprise Bloc. (big employers)

  3. Innovation/Investment Bloc. (startups, R&D firms, capital providers)

Voting weight rules.

  • One enterprise, one vote inside the SME bloc. (no money weighting)

  • Large enterprise bloc gets limited weight by employment bands, capped. (to prevent a few giants dominating)

  • Innovation bloc requires activity criteria, (R&D spending, patents, or certified innovation programs) to prevent fake shell “innovation” voters.

Anti-capture features:

  • Mandatory public beneficial ownership registry for voting eligibility.

  • “No foreign-control voting” rule for strategic sectors. (or separate category)

  • Strict lobbying transparency and bans on revolving-door bribery. (judiciary enforced)


D. Cross-Chamber Negotiation Mechanics. (so it doesn’t deadlock)

1) Conference Committee.

If chambers pass different versions, a tri-pillar conference committee drafts a single compromise.

2) Default Timers.

  • Budget must pass by a deadline.

  • If not: temporary continuing budget triggers automatically.
    (This stops “hostage-taking.”)

3) Public Override Referendum. (rare, controlled)

If 2 chambers pass a bill repeatedly and the 3rd blocks it, a public referendum can break the deadlock... but only if the judiciary certifies the question is constitutional and not rights-violating.


E. What goes where? (policy domains)

Just to make the architecture usable:

  • Political chamber leads: Rights, justice policy, foreign policy, immigration, constitutional matters.

  • Labour chamber leads: Labour standards, skills, healthcare delivery standards, social support framework.

  • Business chamber leads: Industrial policy, trade frameworks, infrastructure execution standards, regulatory practicality.

But all require 2-of-3 passage.


Two optional upgrades. (worth considering)

  1. Citizen Jury Chamber. (advisory, non-sovereign)
    Randomly selected citizens review major bills for clarity and “public comprehension.” (This doesn’t add power, but adds reality-checking.)

  2. Future Generations Ombudsman. (judiciary-anchored)
    Can trigger mandatory review when legislation creates irreversible environmental or debt burdens.
ALLAN SAID: show me a schematic or diagram or template for this structure!

SAL SAID: Below (at the bottom) is a conceptual schematic/template you can use as a reference model for diagrams, blog graphics, or later formal illustrations.


FUNCTIONAL FLOW TEMPLATE.

1. Bill Origination.

  • Political → public law, budgets, foreign policy.

  • Business → industrial, infrastructure, trade.

  • Labour → workforce, health, education, social systems.

2. Legislative Passage.

  • Normal law: 2 of 3 chambers.

  • Foundational law: 3 of 3 chambers.

3. Judicial Gate.

  • Constitutional compliance.

  • Rights protection.

  • Anti-capture enforcement.

  • Emergency proportionality check.


SECOND-TIER GROUP DISTRIBUTION (Overlay Layer)

This layer sits beneath the chambers, not beside them:

POLITICAL ──┐ BUSINESS ──┐ LABOUR ──┐
▼ ▼ ▼
Culture Infrastructure Health & Care
Media Industry Education
Civil Rights Science (Applied) Social Services
Diplomacy Resources Training
▲ ▲ ▲
└─────── JUDICIARY ────────┘
(Environment, Pure Science,
Future Generations, Rights)

Judiciary anchors:

  • Environment & future generations.

  • Pure science independence.

  • Electoral integrity.

  • Anti-corruption.


WHY THIS SCHEMATIC WORKS:

  • No single chamber rules.

  • Judiciary is not ornamental.

  • Economics and labour can veto bad policy.

  • Politics cannot ignore reality.

  • Reality cannot override rights.

It behaves like a load-balanced system, not a popularity contest!